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Post by Raiku on Sept 12, 2008 11:27:54 GMT -8
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Post by Dark Beauty on Sept 12, 2008 11:44:45 GMT -8
I agree. Stupid thing to do. It's cool... but unless they're exactly sure about what they're doing, they shouldn't do it. It's not like we'll benefit from it. I'm fine without the knowledge of how exactly a black hole works.
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Post by Zeffa! on Sept 13, 2008 1:35:51 GMT -8
I was wondering when this topic would reach this board. It's reached alot of the other boards i frequent, and has been all over the news. I foresee further testing and experimentation being pushed back until, oh, say, the year 2012. You know, when all sorts of calendars are dated to end, and the cosmos aligned with the center of the universe..? You know what that means? We'll get to live to see the apocalypse, how cool is that?!
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Post by Raiku on Sept 17, 2008 0:46:36 GMT -8
The machine started moving tonight. Got a text message from a buddy of mine who saw it on the news. Gonna reach top speed in October.
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Post by Dark Beauty on Sept 17, 2008 9:17:23 GMT -8
Ick.
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Post by Cobalt-60 on Sept 17, 2008 14:23:06 GMT -8
Well first off, the point of the machine is not to "understand how a black hole works". We already know how a black hole works.
Secondly, "invisible dark matter" is a really dumb way to describe what they're looking for. What they're trying to find is the Higgs boson, which is the only fundamental particle predicted by the standard model of equations that has not yet been observed. It's sometimes called the "God particle" because it basically gives everything else mass. I feel the need for a disclaimer here. It's not the "god particle" because all those scientists think that it might be god, or are trying to put a scientific limitation on god. "God particle" is a whimsical nickname created for a very elusive and hard-to-find particle. Please don't freak out or read more into it than is there. Kthanks.
As for the "oh my garters it might destroy the universe!" hype, it's complete bunk. As was stated in the video that Raiku was kind enough to post, the same sort of collisions are happening in our ionophere right now, and at much higher magnitudes than anything the LHC is going to put out. There world certainly hasn't ended yet, so why should it now? Also, the scientists involved are not "let's-just-see-what-happens mad scientists". Shockingly enough, they know what they're talking about.
The most likely way for the LHC to go catastrophically wrong is if some misguided idiot sabotages it with the intent of "oh my garters sayving da wurld!".
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Post by Dark Beauty on Sept 18, 2008 8:33:24 GMT -8
I feel the need for a disclaimer here. It's not the "god particle" because all those scientists think that it might be god, or are trying to put a scientific limitation on god. "God particle" is a whimsical nickname created for a very elusive and hard-to-find particle. Please don't freak out or read more into it than is there. Kthanks. I'm not offended by the God particle's name. I'm offended that you'd think we would be. It's sad that you felt that you had to do that. Nobody on this board is that stupid. We know what a whimsical nickname is. Kind of like "God-modding" is a whimsical nickname for taking over someone else's character. Just because we're religious doesn't mean we'll "freak out" at any little thing pertaining to His name. It's not like we cannot appreciate science and the power/elusiveness of the particles they're trying to behold. I've always loved science, and I even believe in the theory of evolution (to a certain point). Don't assume we're that dense. There. My disclaimer is done, too. Kthanks. As for the machine itself, I appreciate what you had to say and the insight you gave. I didn't know the full extent of the project. However, I still think they could leave it alone until it is less of a volatile subject. Then again, they've already started despite the hype. So there's nothing we can do about it. So I'm washing my hands of this subject.
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Post by Cobalt-60 on Sept 18, 2008 12:15:56 GMT -8
I've seen too much of that sort of thing (yes, on this forum) to feel comfortable mentioning that and leaving it to the wolves without a disclaimer. I'd rather put it in there and have you be a bit miffed at me than not, and have my post be misunderstood and argued with based on a silly misinterpretation.
An example might be Detrevni's post in the Stem-cell research thread where he mentioned "The blind could see, the crippled could walk, all that Jesus stuff" and Zephyr, instead of addressing the issue and the actual argument, argued that he didn't like anything "'Christ-like' that has nothing to do with God" as if that was Detrevni's argument, when in fact he was merely using it as an interesting analogy.
In conclusion, I feel my disclaimer was justified. However, in retrospect, I will concede that it was condescendingly phrased and perhaps a bit mean. So I will apologize for its wording, if not it's existence.
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Post by Dark Beauty on Sept 18, 2008 13:04:06 GMT -8
An example might be Detrevni's post in the Stem-cell research thread where he mentioned "The blind could see, the crippled could walk, all that Jesus stuff" and Zephyr, instead of addressing the issue and the actual argument, argued that he didn't like anything "'Christ-like' that has nothing to do with God" as if that was Detrevni's argument, when in fact he was merely using it as an interesting analogy. I think you're wrong. He addressed the issue in his post and said what he thought. Just because he mentioned Christ doesn't mean that he was retaliating to anything Detrevni said. Forgive me for being blunt, but it's my opinion that you're simply trying to find bias and accusations when they're not really there. And sometimes we do say that we're offended. That's not wrong. That's us letting you know. We're entitled to our own opinions as well. Thank you for the apology. Next time, just say what you want to about the subject. If someone tells you they're offended to something you say, just restate your meaning. Don't hold a grudge. That's being said as an admin. To EVERYONE, not just Cobalt. Thank you.
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Post by Zeffa! on Sept 18, 2008 14:51:04 GMT -8
I'm really not worried about the world-shattering possibility. It just feels like the same sort of thing as Y2K, alot of people getting too worked up over something they can't wrap their minds around. I think it's actually a fairly interesting test, I'm curious what the results will render.
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Post by Cobalt-60 on Sept 19, 2008 15:36:48 GMT -8
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Post by silentstranger on Sept 19, 2008 16:43:54 GMT -8
crazy.
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Post by Dark Beauty on Sept 20, 2008 9:24:27 GMT -8
Except I don't think they're real. If you go to the administrator, it's an animator. Either way, that kinda frightened me.
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Post by silentstranger on Sept 29, 2008 13:31:01 GMT -8
Hee hee...
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Post by Detrevni on Sept 30, 2008 22:40:31 GMT -8
I think the LHC is pretty nifty. As for waiting to start it up until they are certain what the effects will be... that sorta defeats the purpose of science, doesn't it? You perform experiments to observe results and draw conclusions about those results. Also ROFL @ Cobalt's "webcam" link That thing is awesome, though.. accelerating particles to 99.9% of light speed. Freaking crazy. Who knows? maybe they'll learn something about matter that may allows us to bend the rules and figure out a way to get normal matter to get past the speed of light.
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