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Post by Raiku on Dec 3, 2007 16:18:04 GMT -8
www.gametrailers.com/player/28507.htmlI must see! It's so true! Yet, it's a difficult argument for a gamer like myself. I mean, I enjoy some of those games, Halo, Doom 3, World of Warcraft and they like, but I do agree that it should be monitered better to keep it from children. I suppose it would be better to just ban them altogether, nonetheless, I enjoy destroying alien ships and all... Like I said, a tough argument.
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Post by silentstranger on Dec 4, 2007 9:01:15 GMT -8
Yes, things with too much gore really do change a person's personality and actions. I've seen it happen.
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Post by Detrevni on Dec 4, 2007 11:10:23 GMT -8
*rolls eyes*
Violent people are attracted to violent video games.
Jack Thompson's a moron.
There IS a rating system in place on video games. People under the age of 18 cannot buy the very violent ones. Except that their parents buy the games for them, and that is their prerogative. The government shouldn't step in to enforce something that is a personal choice.
There is a correlation between violent crime and video games, yes,. but there's also a correlation between violence and baseball bats. Does that mean baseball bats cause violence? maybe we should ban baseball!
Don't confuse correlation with cause and effect.
I've played toins of violoent games.
Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Call of duty 1, 2, 3, 4, MDK 2, Duke Nukem, Quake 4, StarCraft, Elite Force, Total Annihilation,. Supreme Commander, Half Lfie, Half Life 2, Team Fortress, counterstrike, Stubbs the Zombe, Dead Rising, and many more. Do I seem like a murderer about to happen? Perhaps I'm a terrorist in training to destroy Washington state with weapons that don't exist?
PS the jab with flight simulator towards teh WTC bombings was ridiculous. A flight Sim game is a tool, sort of. Video games were in no way responsible for those attacks, even though the film maker is trying to link them in your mind. RESIST THE BRAINWASHING!
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Post by Dark Beauty on Dec 4, 2007 12:24:37 GMT -8
Sorry, Det, but I have to disagree. Changes happened in my own family with my own siblings. You simply cannot say that it does not affect people.
I do not think we should ban games. But I also cannot truthfully say that violent games do not have a harmful influence. Hooray for people that can control that influence, but it is there.
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Post by Raiku on Dec 4, 2007 14:37:05 GMT -8
You both make berry good points.
It's a very difficult argument. Though the jab at the WTC was a little over the line. My grandfather himself helped design the first flight simulator. He is no terrorist. Well...not ALL the time.
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Post by silentstranger on Dec 4, 2007 16:05:42 GMT -8
I can be right some of the times by the way. Why is it that everyone always listens to Dark when I say the thing first. Not saying that it always happens, but it happens often enough to make me curious. And Det, could you try not to be so rude to me.
Anyway, to many people violent games do effect "perfect" people. it doesn't have to be shooting people. Super Smash Brothers was enough to put a dent in some people's personalties that I know. For a while it had be too. It sounds ridiculous, but it really is true. Luckily, as Dark stated, "Hooray for people that can control that influence."
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Post by Thistle on Dec 4, 2007 17:05:29 GMT -8
Uh well, using spell check could help you a bit there. And most times it's because I don't quite understand what you are saying and Dark words it a bit differently so I can get the whole picture.
And I see both sides of it. My solution: don't let stupid impressionable little kids, and teens, possibly even adults, play games that are rated too high for them. Not much you can do with stupid adults but if parents would wake up and not buy those things for their underage children then I think things would improve quite a bit. And I don't really see how SSB could change people. But then again I guess that I was mature enough to know that it is just a game and you aren't supposed to go around beating random people up.
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Post by Raiku on Dec 4, 2007 17:52:45 GMT -8
Though it is, on occasion, hilarious.
And Silent, I was actually referring to you and Dark when I said you two make good points. Det generally does, and doesn't need me to tell him that's the case. *smile* We're not out to get you, you know.
And yes, it does leave a dent. But only on certain people. It's tough to say which side is right, because both sides are equally justifiable. If this documentary supplies some hard evidence, there is bound to be another side. It makes sense to me that children will be affected, thats what the media does. Football players getting shot over gang rivalries, basketball players are charged with rape, teachers, priests, EVERYONE is open to the taint of corruption.
To change the media, change the people involved in it. Or close your eyes. It's not as simple as banning all these games, it's life. If I don't like waffles I can't rightfully send them into orbit. (Or can I...)
I remain neutral. Though I must admit that Zelda (unfortunately) did in fact influence my life. Heroism to the end.
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Post by Zeffa! on Dec 4, 2007 18:56:09 GMT -8
I think this might be avalid candidate for the discussion threads. So here's my two cents into the well.
I've played my share of Gears of War, Halo, and Doom. I've even played hours on gand theft auto and games like that for no reason other than to cause mayhem and see how exactly people and cars do react to flamethrowers and rockets (they don't react too kindly). Games like that certainly have an appeal, they create a world where you aren't bound by morals, where you have leverage over the law. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's certainly a great way to vent. Better to punch a pillow than a person right? I've saved myself alot of sanity by turning on city of villains, playing some good ol rage-soaked linkin' park, and went around on genocidal rampages. Personally, I am a rather violent person at times, I realize that. But i've had that problem long before i touched any game over the rating of E (well, they didn't have them THEN but they would have smacked an E on those right away). Playing videogames like halo and gears of war, while yes they do have violence, they are stories with morals as well as bullets and nightmarish monsters. There's just as much merit in doom 3 as there is in Zelda, and way more than in Mario. It's just a more adult game, it ISN'T for kids. If parents don't want their kids playing these dark and violent games, then don't get it for them. It's the same as buying cigs, you can't get it without someone 18 or older. If you feel violent games are as bad as cigarettes, then treat them that way, but don't expect that others will all agree with you.
I took Tae Kwon Do because I knew i was a dangerously violent person when i get angry. Some of you sled owners can attest to this... This may seem contradictory but I knew that I needed more discipline in my life. If the %@#$ hit the fan, i didn't want to have to rely on fighting instinct and my rage as a weapon. I wanted to learn how to keep myself from having to wield hatred and rageagainst my enemy. Now, between my earliest childhood memories and th grade when i began, likely the most violent game i ever played was Goldeneye 007, and my parents took that away, seeing that it was a rather violent game. Good on them I think, though i didn't agree at the time. The runner up for goldeneye was Duck hunt. I didn't need videogames to be an overaggressive person. There's alot more than these consoles that affects my world. Most of the time videogames to me are an escape BECAUSE the world has messed with me so much.
Imagine if we tried to ban medal of honor, all the hype that that would create. Saying games like that are unamerican and wicked because they're so dark and violent.. well.. that kind of thing actually happened. it's the real world, don't try and hide it, there's nothing to hide earth behind. You can't protect your kids from the world, but you can teach them and ease them into it, softening their path as they go along. I want my kids to see an R movie someday. I want to be able to play halo or whatever the equivalent is out when they come along. I'd like to spar with my kid. But I don't want to be at fault for letting someone who grew up sheltered and nieve out into the world.
So.. I think that it's not the video game's fault., I agree with Detrev, you don't blame the correllation. But surrounding a kickboxer from the streets who just bit a guy's ear off with games like kirby's great adventure and yoshi story won't do anything. He'd probably take the controller and strangle someone with the cord.
I'll be back later.. gotta go to a study session.
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Post by Detrevni on Dec 5, 2007 1:37:02 GMT -8
*applauds Zephyr's post* And Silent, I was not being rude to you. If I were being rude or cutting towards you, you'd know it. All of my resentment was directed at the video. and Jack Thompson. I frakking hate that guy. Seriously was he molested by a copy of Pong when he was a boy? I'm not saying that it can't affect people. But mature sentient beings, and even those not so mature (like my little brother who's been playing Halo and its sequels since he was 9), can be taught the difference between game and reality. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that people who let a more sheltered life would be more affected by drastic violence than someone who was not. The culture shock would probably make more of an impact than anything else. Note: this is not a dig at anyone's way of life. It is merely an observation.
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Post by silentstranger on Dec 5, 2007 6:41:31 GMT -8
Actually, my brother was mature before he left on mis mission, but he played video games all the time, and even then it changed him. He was the one in the family that made toy swords in his spare time and had "duels" with us until someone got hurt and my mom put a stop to that. It changed Panda, Ostrich, and Kitty a little too, but their not mature.
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Post by Zeffa! on Dec 5, 2007 8:47:28 GMT -8
Boys have been playing with sticks and toy swords long before Video games were ever invented I fear. It's terrible amounts of fun, I've done "dueling" many hundreds of times with all the children at my mom's daycare. Of course it wasn't long before we figured out that sticks hurt, and switched to padded pvc pipes.
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Post by Detrevni on Dec 5, 2007 12:25:10 GMT -8
The other possibility is *gasp* that people can change on their own. It's been estimated that every 7 years you're a completely different person. Who knew?
Boys by nature are violent beings. We settle down as we mature. All that testosterone in our bloodstream you know.
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Post by Dark Beauty on Dec 6, 2007 11:42:11 GMT -8
Yeah... except the terrorists and murderers and rapists...
Yet, I do know that video games did not make those men "not mature." But I did have to point out that "we settle down as we mature" is NOT the case. Please don't argue this point... for reasons I will not go into.
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Post by Raiku on Dec 7, 2007 13:31:10 GMT -8
Let's try to keep this at a strictly NOT GENDER BASED ARGUMENT. Kinda gettin' sick of all our debates transforming into the same thing. Not trying to be mean or anythin'...Just, stick to the point you guys, is all.
Thanks.
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